Episode 52, ‘We’re people too’, Part II of Robots, Cyborgs, and Artificial Intelligence
This week, Dave and Steve continue their exploration of machines in fiction by delving into their use as villains and antagonists. Listen in as the duo comes down pretty hard on the human race in a futile attempt to be spared when the singularity occurs. At least Skynet will feel guilty when they find out that Dave and Steve tried to argue their case. You know, if Skynet felt guilt.
- Intro Clip: Virtuosity.
- If you came for an in depth discussion of 1995’s Virtuosity, starring Denzel Washington and Russell Crowe, you will be disappointed.
- Steve and Dave’s next project will be The Child Guide where they talk exclusively about parenting styles.
- Dave brings up that ol’ robot classic Jurassic Park.
- Dave drops some Sam Harris.
- Dave thinks governments are the real villains.
- Hey Dave, isn’t Steve already your best friend who lives in the Internet?
- Dave sided with the replicants in Blade Runner.
- For two guys who spent an hour defining their terms, Dave and Steve are awfully carefree about the term “robot”.
- Dave forces the editor to go down a rabbit hole to fact check something. Turns out, Dave was right.
- Steve sided with the Matrix in The Matrix.
- Turns out Steve wasn’t paying attention to any of the boring plots bits of The Terminator and Terminator 2
- Hey Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer! Please don’t sue us!
- “Don’t you remember Voyager, man?” versus “Don’t you remember Voyager Man?”.
- Steve was right.
- As usual, Dave feels compelled to drop some 19th century philosophy into the podcast.
- A.B.T. – Always Be Terminating.
- Steve comes up with an idea for a movie. Dave misunderstands it and comes up with two better ideas. Possibly three.
- For an extended and thoughtful perspective on Ex Machina by someone whose name is neither Dave nor Steve, check out Mike’s take.
- No, Dave. “Roy Batty” does not “start with an ‘A'”. Neither does “Rutger Hauer” for that matter”.
- Steve tells a joke so hilarious that it stuns Dave into continuing his sentence uninterrupted.
- Michael Bay doesn’t make Steve question his humanity.
- The last 1:30 of the podcast is a present from the editor to all of you.
Episode 51, ‘What’s wrong with a robotic nose?’, Part I of Robots, Cyborgs, and Artificial Intelligence
This week, Dave and Steve shake things up with their first multi-part episode. For the next three weeks they’ll be talking about the rise of machines in fiction. This week is all about how to tell you’re dealing with a robot — and then the more important questions: What’s the difference between the Terminator and (the?) Robocop?; What are the barriers to sentience and artificial life?; and Why does a Roobma cost $300? Note: at no point do your intrepid hosts talk about the 1983 hit WarGames, the 1986 flop Maximum Overdrive, and 2014’s entirely forgettable Transcendence. If that’s a problem for you, they sincerely apologize.
- Intro Clip: I, Robot.
- In a rare move, the editor has included a brief clip of outtakes. While the editor recognizes the absurdity of linking you to an audio clip when you’re listening to a podcast, he thinks the opportunity to make fun of Steve and Dave is worth it. So, enjoy.
- Steve talks about parenting skills a lot for someone who sometimes forgets to wear pants.
- Dave confesses to taking zumba lessons.
- This episode probably owes a lot to the absolutely fantastic (bite-sized) podcast Robot or Not? — and the occasional side-episodes Sandwich or Not, such as episode 78 “Hot Dogs”.
- Bite-sized wasn’t a pun, but maybe Dave and Steve should start an offshoot podcast about food.
- Dave suggests that this dude looks human.
- Steve prefers the term “fembot”.
- Steve quotes from a term paper he wrote back in 2010.
- Dave decides to cut off his hand and sews a camera in its place.
- Steve makes a ridiculous mistake: he says “adamantine”, which is indestructible metal of the Gods with magic and psychic properties that was bonded with Earth-12025 James Howlett’s bones prior to his adventures with Hercules. He clearly meant “adamantium”, which is a mostly indestructible metal alloy with no magic or psychic properties that was bonded with Earth-616 James Howlett’s bones prior to his adventures with the X-Men. Two completely different things.
- Dave and Steve are not racist against Steampunk Robots.
- Dave defines a term by using the term.
- Turns out Steve has this whole “I’m quoting from the dictionary” voice.
- Regarding dogs and AI.
- It should be noted that the entire discussion about animal intelligence is coloured by the fact that Dave is a vegan and Steve hangs out with vegans sometimes.
- There is a brief discussion in which Dave uses the word “breeding” and we all feel just a little bit uncomfortable.
- For whatever record there is, Steve is right: there is a working Cylon detector.
- Dave humours Steve’s question about Toy Story.
- Because they apparently didn’t settle the topic the first time they brought it up, Dave and Steve again talk about the differences between Toy Story, Toy Soldiers, and Small Soldiers.
Episode 50, ‘This Meta Episode’, on The Style Guide
This week, Dave and Steve decide that they need to go deeper and do an entire episode on themselves. That’s right folks, episode 50 is dedicated to exploring the prior 49 episodes of The Style Guide. Follow along as they tell you all about how the (tofu) sausage is made. Listen to just how Dave and Steve prepare. Find out well kept secrets like “who edits the podcast?” and “what genius writes the shownotes?”.
We promise, it isn’t as boring as it sounds. Or your money back.
- Intro Clip: The Style Guide, Episode 13: They Create The Art That They Want To Hear.
- Dave refers to this as the “50th Anniversary Podcast” which is, obviously, a complete and total lie. It’s just the 50th episode.
- Thus far, Dave and Steve have 2.2 recorded days of them style guiding.
- Dave claims that he isn’t the one who makes ridiculous statements.
- Dave suggests that they do an episode by episode breakdown of The Style Guide, because he’s a madman.
- Steve libels Dave’s good name.
- Steve references a super secret, unreleased episode.
- Dave one-ups him and references a private roadtrip conversation. I guess what happens in Calgary doesn’t stay in Calgary…
- Did you know that even though Dave and Steve are different people they have similar influences?
- For Dave, knowledge is both love and power.
- Dave spoils the mystical numerology behind The Style Guide.
- Julia Roberts is a metre stick. From the way Dave says it, that sounds like a good thing.
- Regarding Frasier, Dave complisults Steve.
- Dave really doesn’t want to do a Star Wars episode.
- Shoutout to the folks at Trello who don’t pay Dave and Steve anything, but without which this show probably couldn’t be done.
- Steve and Dave admit that they don’t do this for you. Yes, you.
- Missie isn’t allowed to talk to Dave.
- Steve and Dave missed a lot in their board game episode. That might be their biggest regret.
- While Steve actually hates, Dave is only pretending to love.
- Dave made this.
- Steve doesn’t ask Dave whether he’s more proud of The Style Guide or of his son.
- Disney was just like Disney to Dave.
- Steve begins an airing of grievances in the last two minutes. Then Dave says something nice about Steve just to make him feel bad.
Episode 49, ‘RoboCop is a great film’, on Starship Troopers
This week, following both the American election and Remembrance Day, Dave and Steve stumble into a topic that is oddly fitting: the novel and film Starship Troopers. Come for the discussion of a classic sci-fi book, stay for Steve’s attempt to defend a bad movie.
- Intro Clip: Starship Troopers.
- Assuming that their audience is illiterate, Dave and Steve continue to treat the topic of the episode as a spoiler.
- Just when you thought you were safe from hearing about Ender’s Game…
- Steve successfully avoids defining “fascism” for the entirety of the episode.
- Dave asks if Steve wants to talk about the politics and philosophy of the book. Steve begrudgingly accepts.
- Did Steve write part of his MA thesis on violence? Who knows?
- Steve pronounces “Verhoeven” in a very strange way. Dave conspicuously avoids saying his name at all.
- Is Heinlein sexist?
- Dave and Steve show their ignorance on American military policy.
- The 19th Amendment ot the US Constitution was ratified on August 18th, 1920.
- Steve slips in a subtle reference to Mulan.
- Roger Ebert’s glowing review of the film.
- Which is the better adaptation of Starship Troopers: Ridley Scott’s Aliens or Hasbro’s Power Rangers?
- Steve thinks Starship Troopers comes from a long line of satirical films with an important message; Dave thinks Starship Troopers comes from a long line of bad movies.
- Steve is not the only person to think this. See: Scott Tobias for A.V. Club; or John Perich for Overthinking It. Just because he’s cribbing from smart people doesn’t mean he’s right though.
- Dave and Steve really dig into Denise Richards and Casper Van Dien. Guess we won’t be seeing an actor profile about either of them.
- Dave describes the premise of RoboCop and it sounds ridiculous.
- Dave and Steve think nudity is unnecessary.
- Sorry Scott.
Episode 48, ‘Look at me. I exist.’, on Political Advertising
This week, Dave and Steve say farewell — and good riddance — to the American presidential election by talking about the last couple years of political advertising. Spoiler alert: there are no spoilers in this episode. Expect maybe existential spoilers.
- Intro Clip: I Like Ike.
- Dave isn’t nervous about today’s episode, he’s synonyms for nervous about today’s episode.
- Depending on when you start counting — and including today — the American election campaign has been going for 614 days. That is when the first candidate formally announced his candidacy to run for the presidential nomination. No, nobody knows who Mark Everson is. Not even Steve, even if he pretends that he does.
- Dave isn’t being racist when he talks about “coloured posters”.
- Dave and Steve insist that they’re going to focus on the form and style of campaign ads — and not about politics. Guess how well that goes?
- Steve struggles to name a brand of truck.
- Steve says “watch the game” as if he understands anything at all about sports.
- This entire episode should probably be understood in relation to the fact that Dave and Steve have clearly never seen Mad Men. That being said, Dave is such a Miranda.
- As we’ve all come to expect, Dave goes on an extended rant about the death of truth.
- Steve makes up an ad where Barack Obama plays basketball. It’s unclear why.
- Shoutout to Patrick Baynham, best known for his roles in Elf and White Chicks.
- Steve struggles to name a brand of alcohol.
- Much to the chagrin of third-party candidates, Dave and Steve talk about American elections as being a two-sided debate.
- Steve feels bad for Kentucky celebrity physician, Rand Paul.
- Dave spoils who he’s going to vote for in the American election.
- Dave lays a trap, but Steve spent too many years playing Pitfall! to fall for it.
- Bill Burr is not “just a comedian”, Dave. He’s a national treasure.
- Dave’s favorite political ad of the season is a joke; and Steve’s favorite ad involves football.
- Steve mistakenly suggests that Marco Rubio is a human being when he is, in fact, a robot.
- Dave wants to Make Advertising Fun Again. #MAFA
- Here is a series of ads that Dave and Steve talk about: “The Trudeau hair ad”; “Trudeau’s ready”; the one that Steve remembered as Scarlett Johansson endorsing Clinton, but was really more of a generic “everyone should vote. PS: Trump is scary” endorsement; “This is our tour bus”; “a five minute Bernie ad”; “Rand Paul, whoever the heck that guy is”; “Mae Wiggins attack on Trump”; Donald Trump, “a leader”; “Hillary Clinton’s a wizard”; “Trudeau’s escalator”; “The Interview”.
Episode 47, ‘I watch Saw for the articles’, on the Halloween series
Naturally following upon their pre-Halloween Spooktacular, this week Dave and Steve do an on-Halloween Spooktacular. This time they explore John Carpenter’s Halloween franchise and the twists the series takes before finally arriving at the two recent Rob Zombie remakes. Keep in mind that Dave feels the need to vividly describe some of the scenes, in case you wanted to be horrified without ever seeing the films. It’s fun for
the whole family absolutely no families whatsoever.
- Intro Clip: Halloween.
- There are times when Steve is good at thinking on the spot and coming up with creative and clever things to say. The start of this episode is not one of those times.
- Mike Myers was 15 years old when Halloween came out.
- You ever think this podcast is just Dave and Steve angling for membership in the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences?
- At one point, Dave whispers “have sex” — and Steve suggests that nobody was having sex in 1978. It is about as weird as it sounds.
- John Carpenter’s original inspiration for Halloween was Keanu Reeves’ character in John Wick.
- Steve suggests that Donald Pleasence, who was nominated for four Tony Awards, was a failed actor. Four Tonys, Steve. FOUR.
- Steve unfairly questions the parenting decisions of the Doyles.
- For more on the mastery of Carpenter’s use of music, check out Mark’s thoughts on the matter. Unlike Dave and Steve, who are terrified neophytes to the genre, Mark has been at this for quite a few years and it shows.
- Dave pants heavily.
- Dean Cundey was the director of photography for Halloween II and the cinematographer for Back to the Future Part II.
- Dave misremembers something and Steve feels superior.
- Then, as it turns out, Steven immediately misremembers the significance of Michael Myers’ mask in the later films.
- The editor would like to take a moment to sincerely thank Steve for including a quote that has three swears in three seconds. Nothing like trying to edit that out to keep the podcast family friendly.
- Then Dave and Steve go on to make that comment necessary for understanding the next ten minutes of discussion, making it impossible to outright cut. Thanks team.
- Roger Ebert’s review of Halloween, Halloween II, Halloween III. He would not go on to review the rest of the franchise.
- Does Dave say “brokeded”?
- Halloween III is the Cabin in the Woods of its time.
- Dave and Steve disagree about the number of times Michael Hunsaker and Stacey Nelkin of YouTube relationship advice “fame” have sex before he asks how old she is.
- Rather than letting the podcast end, Steve gives us the first draft of a paper.
Episode 46, ‘It’s good when it works’, on Edgar Allan Poe
Once upon a Monday mellow, as I podcast, young and yellow
About an author and his life’s work fine and fair
While I Skyped, tamely talking, saying nothing that was shocking
I found myself gently rocking, rocking in my office chair
“Tis my way,” I tweeted, “talking in my office chair–
The Style Guide, with all its flair!”
- Intro Clip: Vince Price reading The Tell-Tale Heart.
- Steve doesn’t know what words mean.
- What, precisely, is so funny about rabies, guys?
- Dave reads some Poe in his dramatic Poe-voice.
- Steve gets in a dig at academics. It’s about as hilarious as you’d expect.
- Steve loves Republic of Doyle.
- Steve says “Rue Morgue”. It goes better than you’d expect.
- The Cask of Armadillo
- Madman, Dave?
- Steve suggests that a Poe story isn’t a Poe story.
- Shoutout to Great Canadian Actor, Ryan Reynolds.
- Poe was definitely known for writing “bad dudes”.
- Steve doesn’t know anything about opium.
- Dave misreads The Fall of the House of Usher and Steve spends five minutes trying to justify it.
- Steve, with all his life experience, talks about what is common in marriage.
- Dave is confused about the differences between 1847 and 1353.
- “Poe’s poetry” sounds funny.
- Steve plays armchair psychiatrist to Poe. You’re not a doctor yet, Steve.
- Dave briefly commits the Sin of Lovecraft while criticizing Lovecraft.
- “Pieces of Poe” also sounds funny.
- This is not a Poe story.
- Steve spoils a short story from 1902. He also says “dollars” instead of
“pounds” like a rube.
- Steve is one step away from calmly calling everyone who drinks “squares”.
- Edgar Allan Poe: Live at The Improv
- No, seriously. Why do you guys keep laughing about rabies?
- Steve desperately attempts to shoehorn a potential episode title into the last 30 seconds. It does not work.
Episode 45, ‘There’s no Iron Man for Jodie Foster’, on Jodie Foster
This week, follow along with the hard to identify noises of construction happening as if it were just down the street from you. Wonder if you’re going crazy or if there is a rhythmic metal thumping (?) of some sort that is almost impossible to pinpoint, but is definitely in the background of Steve’s audio. Also: Dave and Steve talk about Jodie Foster.
- Intro Clip: Elysium.
- Steven talks about his struggles as a child actor.
- Anna and the King of Siam > The King and I > Anna and the King
- Dave fantasizes about being Jodie Foster, presumably in some sort of Being John Malkovich way.
- Dave suggests they avoid talking about Elysium, because it’s a rabbit hole nobody wants to go down.
- Dave talks about Elysium.
- Is Steve ever going to stop complaining about child actors and the Oscars?
- Dave’s tendency towards hyperbole puts the episode on a strange path.
- Dave and Steve don’t talk about The Accused — which is odd, because Foster won an Academy Award for it.
- Not once do Dave or Steve address Sir Anthony Hopkins by his title.
- Jodie Foster isn’t Julia Roberts.
- Steven would not be able to identify Jodie Foster solely based on smell.
- Sorry Bruce Willis.
- Hey Steven, go listen to the pronunciation of “ogle” and then come back to the podcast without that high horse of yours.
- Dave suggests that “unquestionably the greatest actor of his generation” could be easily replaced.
- Interstellar is the pinnacle of cinema. It’s all downhill from there, folks.
- Dave claims that something will be in the shownotes. It is not.
- Steve tries to make a Beastie Boys reference. It goes nowhere.
- Dave does an impression of a Jodie Foster zealot.
- Jodie Foster is the shining star that rises all boats.
- Something Anthony Hopkins and Anne Hathaway have in common: they both have received Oscars for only 15 minutes of screentime.
- Does anyone remember the role Foster played in District 9?
Episode 44, ‘Technically Canadian’, on The 90s
This week, Dave and Steve take a journey through their awkward pre-teen and teenage years which is known more widely as “the 1990s”. While they don’t cover everything that went on in the decade, they do cover some of its more important films. Like Biodome with Pauly Shore.
- Intro Clip: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II.
- Desperately trying to avoid being called a Millenial, Steve casually tries to pass himself off as a member of Generation X.
- Steve impresses Dave with his vast knowledge of the release dates of romantic comedies.
- If John Hughes was all about fantasy teenagers, the 90’s teenagers were the gritty reboot version.
- Steve insults The Style Guide‘s wide demographic of teenagers by suggesting that they’re not people.
- The term “blockbuster” is a World War II invention to describe bombs, but Spielberg’s Jaws in 1975 was where the term entered the film lexicon.
- Dave and Steve probably forgot to talk about your favorite 90’s actor.
- Steve mistakes Eddie Murphy for Chris Farley.
- Dave and Steve should be ashamed when they label the Disney Renaissance as the Disney Golden Age.
- Uh… Welcome back, Macaulay Culkin?
- Steve says, “do it up”.
- A brief discussion about the Nightmare Machine that was 90’s Video Game movies.
- Steve tries (and fails) to say “John Leguizamo”. Fortunately for the spelling of the shownotes, Google understands what “John Luigieziamio” means.
- Dave and Steve almost come to blows regarding Space Jam.
- Steve defends the integrity of Spice World as the part of a long, honorable tradition.
- Dave is devastated by Batman Forever and Batman and Robin.
- Dave and Steve almost forget about Jim Carrey.
- Steven is really bothered.
- The podcast briefly sounds like it is hosted by two stoners.
- As we’ve all come to expect, Steve talks about globalization.
- Steve and Dave confidently declare that Steven Spielberg got his start in the 80’s which is, of course, off by an entire decade.
- Contrary to smarter people’s opinions, Steve didn’t think highly of The Blair Witch Project.
- Steve forgot Y2K was a thing.
- Dave has a friend with a crazy theory.
- Steve makes fun of that douchebag, younger Steve.
- Well over a decade into their relationship, Dave finally gets Steve.
Episode 43, ‘It’s Dumb to Say, But The Magic Isn’t Here’, on Harry Potter and the Cursed Child
In this episode, Dave and Steve hate-read the latest offering in the Harry Potter universe.
- Intro Clip: Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.
- Steve has a terrible confession that is going to shock everyone.
- Dave and Steve like ideas.
- Back to the Future: Part II > Harry Potter and the Cursed Child
- Steve uses the play’s own words against it.
- It’s hard to tell whether Scorpius or Albus is a worse name.
- Dave tests Steve’s knowledge of the titles of Harry Potter novels. Steve gets one wrong.
- Hey Dave? This sure looks a lot like this.
- Steve talks a lot about the concept of a “Harry Potter and the…” story. It’s just as confusing when he says it out loud.
- Harry Potter and Another Cursed Child: Electric Boogaloo: Fury Road
- Sounds a lot like Dave and Steve think this would have been better off taking the Scream 3 route — or even Scream 4.
- Dave and Steve sound sad a lot.
- Uh, Steve, people constantly compare Harry to his parents. Like, multiple times in every book.
- Harry Potter and the Midlife Crisis
- Dave and Steve try to be positive. Guess how well that goes.
- Dave explains the harsh realities of pregnancy.
- Just a reminder everyone, Harry Potter was born of the force. That’s canon.
- Steven doesn’t like plays that he can’t put on at his local community theatre.
- Dave lets Steve ramble like an idiot about Aristotle for a while.
- Dave has a crush on Ginny.
- Harry Potter and the Play that Jack Thorne Really Wanted To Put On, Even Though Nobody Wanted Him To
- Steve experiences the passage of time, but Dave doesn’t think that’s a problem.
- Instead of reading Cursed Child, Dave recommends you go watch Back to the Future.
- Instead of reading Cursed Child, Steve recommends you go to Norway.